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Did God create life? Did life have a beginning?

by quincemyles in

life is passed on from previously existing life.

life can not be created but can be destroyed.

this rule has never been broken.

The Rebel

Spock to Kirk " it's life Jim, but not as we know it"

As to the question " Did God create life? Did life have a beginning?

A) Everything has a beginning a middle and an end.

B) We may not realise what stage we are in?

C) Maybe this life and not death is the end?

We can presume there was some organic slime that created life, but maybe the slime was second. Maybe the beginning of all things was a Hunan brain the size of this globe which gradually dried up and in dying secreted the slime.( sourced from a book I once read)

So to conclude in my opinion the ANSWER to your QUESTIONS dont exist yet. Some may disagree and say they have those answers? But until those ANSWERS exist with conclusive proof for " ME" it's a mystery.

I am grateful for many questions that have been bought to my attention on this forum. I have concluded, the W.T has done a great deal of damage to more life's than I realised. It makes the little bit of suffering I have endured, seem less significant. I have also concluded that for " ME" too much thinking on two many philosophical subjects is shit.

Why do I say that? Because I am more happy with the breeze on the lake, looking at an ant and simply being grateful I am alive than spending my life searching for answers on God.

The Rebel.

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Had you thought of feeling sorry for the G.B?

by The Rebel in

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i only bring this to the board, because a friend of mine once said he felt sorry for the footballers who made so much money.

that comment stayed with me, and over the years,the more i thought about that comment the more i agreed with him.. i admit the g.b destroy people's life's and are the sublimation of all that's good in people's life.

there only excuse is a fantazy asylum they claim to believe in.

The Rebel

I very much appreciate the replys.

I have learnt a lot about the G.B from this site. What I have learnt has made me realise, I can no longer be a fader, and i will be disfellowshipping myself. ( I realise for many that is not an option)

I guess the point of my O.P is after disfellowshipping:-

A) Should I then move on and lead an egotistical life offering only passive resistance to the W.T?

OR.

B) Should I continue to hate ( and what I have learnt on this site has created if not hatred then at least rage in side of me) Rage that I was deceived. Rage that these men know they are liers, and harlots of the worst kind, and are happy ruining people's life's.

I am not sure what I will do, I am not even sure what I can do. But now I am on the outside looking in, I don't want to simply talk excited, think up fabulous ideas, and actually accomplish nothing.( Which is what I accomplished as a witness)

Maybe I can change my neighbourhood, and with time awaken people in my former congregation. Maybe that would be a victory. However from a personal perspective I now honestly want to love life ( maybe that is selfish?) And to love life I simply can't waste it on hate. ( I appreciate it, if you have a different point of view)

The Rebel.

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When you read this Richard Glossip will probably be dead.

by The Rebel in

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how do i feel about this?.

too much doubt.. shame on you people who are responsible for putting richard to death.. richard is scheduled to be put to death in oklahoma at 3pm on september 16th by lethal injection.

i have followed this case and feel like so many people very bad about this.

The Rebel

What are they dong to this man.

Two weeks ago Richard was spared the needle 3 hours before his execution.

Yesterday it was an incredible 1 minute before they put the needle in him.

This is the 3rd time he has been hours from death this year.

Putting a man through this phycological torture Is diabolical.

The new execution date is set for November 6th.

Two days before yesterday's planned execution he lost an appeal 2/3. ( so two judges were unsure of his guilt) Then hours before his execution yesterday the supreme court also turned down his appeal. At the final minute his execution was postponed on grounds of the drugs being used to put Richard to death.

His first conviction was over turned because the judge described evidence as " very weak" and his legal representation incompetent. ( In England that would make him a free man) Richard then refused a plea deal in which he would be a free man today, was retriled and convicted again.This man is on death role with no physical evidence against him, but based on the testimony of the killer who needed to implicate someone so he could avoid the death sentence. The police also lost/ destroyed evidence relevant in this case.

In America I56 people have been exonerated from death role since 1975. ( Source death penalty information centre)

The Rebel.

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Had you thought of feeling sorry for the G.B?

by The Rebel in

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i only bring this to the board, because a friend of mine once said he felt sorry for the footballers who made so much money.

that comment stayed with me, and over the years,the more i thought about that comment the more i agreed with him.. i admit the g.b destroy people's life's and are the sublimation of all that's good in people's life.

there only excuse is a fantazy asylum they claim to believe in.

The Rebel

Ok Morpheus my new O.P is:-

DO YOU WISH YOU COULD LOVE ALL THE PEOPLE?

And my answer is YES, but with the G.B, DEFERRED UNTILL FURTHER NOTICE.

But I still won't waste my life hating them, and I do feel sorry for them because they are not real men. They are pathetic and worthy only of pity.

The Rebel.

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Had you thought of feeling sorry for the G.B?

by The Rebel in

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i only bring this to the board, because a friend of mine once said he felt sorry for the footballers who made so much money.

that comment stayed with me, and over the years,the more i thought about that comment the more i agreed with him.. i admit the g.b destroy people's life's and are the sublimation of all that's good in people's life.

there only excuse is a fantazy asylum they claim to believe in.

The Rebel

I get what you say about your personal zen Morpheus.

My point is I guess, well I new a man who lost his mum, dad and sister through hatred. ( He was a holocaust survivor) He had pity and not hatred for those that were responsible. I loved that man, and I try not to hate.

As to Punks point I can't just ignore the G.B, but I have tried not to hate them or many in the organisation. I am at pity at the moment.

If I could re-word my O.P, I would write it differently.

The Rebel.

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Had you thought of feeling sorry for the G.B?

by The Rebel in

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i only bring this to the board, because a friend of mine once said he felt sorry for the footballers who made so much money.

that comment stayed with me, and over the years,the more i thought about that comment the more i agreed with him.. i admit the g.b destroy people's life's and are the sublimation of all that's good in people's life.

there only excuse is a fantazy asylum they claim to believe in.

The Rebel

Ok my point of the O.P was, by resenting the G.B, the only person I am hurting is myself.

Maybe I am selfish, but what good does it do me to fick, suit, and piss my life away hating the G.B.

Why not just feel sorry for them and move on?

I mean I can't just pretend they didn't exist. So I can either hate them or pity them?

I am not wasting my life on hate I choose pity any day?

But I also appreciate the comments that offer justified reasons why they hate the G.B.

I am just talking about where I am in life.

The Rebel.

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Had you thought of feeling sorry for the G.B?

by The Rebel in

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i only bring this to the board, because a friend of mine once said he felt sorry for the footballers who made so much money.

that comment stayed with me, and over the years,the more i thought about that comment the more i agreed with him.. i admit the g.b destroy people's life's and are the sublimation of all that's good in people's life.

there only excuse is a fantazy asylum they claim to believe in.

The Rebel

Wisdomfrombelow:-

I agree and I am not saying you are wrong. But it seems to me the G.B are going through life with a crippled heart, and I am personally glad I am not them.

The Rebel.

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Had you thought of feeling sorry for the G.B?

by The Rebel in

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i only bring this to the board, because a friend of mine once said he felt sorry for the footballers who made so much money.

that comment stayed with me, and over the years,the more i thought about that comment the more i agreed with him.. i admit the g.b destroy people's life's and are the sublimation of all that's good in people's life.

there only excuse is a fantazy asylum they claim to believe in.

The Rebel

I only bring this to the board, because a friend of mine once said he felt sorry for the footballers who made so much money. That comment stayed with me, and over the years,the more I thought about that comment the more I agreed with him.

I admit the G.B destroy people's life's and are the sublimation of all that's good in people's life. There only excuse is a fantazy asylum they claim to believe in.

So maybe my question should NOT be " DO" but " CAN" you feel pity the G.B?

Is it possible to "PITY" these men who deliberately in my opinion spread lies and untruths? Or do you simply despise them?

The Rebel.

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stocks & shares

by Sabin in

i just thought of something the wt is allowed to take a gamble with all our contrabutions on the stocks & shares market, but don't you buy a lottery ticket or we will disfellowship you.

you f...ing gambling sinner you.

who now plays lottery?

The Rebel

Witness007 " There are NO bible verses that ban gambling. Cannot justify this one"

The Rebel: - Maybe the G.B think it's there money you are gambling with?

I mean isnt it the little fun money you would have bought a lottery ticket with the same money you instead put in to the "World Wide FUND" box ?

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Money, Money, Money...and Money, Money, Money

by The Rebel in

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i made a post of this, but feel it warrants a thread.

in central london ( paddington) the " property management company" we refer to as jehovers witnesses, bought a church building, which is now a kingdom hall, but with the outside appearance of a church.. i got an explanation from bethel " it's just a building".

well let's give the organisation credit for its business sence.

The Rebel

Kramer: you make some good points and I concede I was talking crap about 50 flats.

What I would say is.

A) The W.T bought this Chuch from the Church of England not primarily as a place of worship but as an investment. ( That to me is hypocracy)

(B) If I were to speculate today the building would sell for between 15 - 20 million.

(C) With preemption and speculation, that would be in the region of 40 million in only 10 years. ( Every 10 years for the last 100 years property value in this part of central London has risen over 110%,. In most of the UK property prises have only doubled every 10 years)

(D) If I were to sell this property I would target a foreign invester like a shriek. The fact is many rich Arabs spend billions on property in this area, and often the only reason for purchase is they want it. Much of the property in London is owned by foreigners this way.

(E) Of course the incentive to target foreign buyers would be hindered by the fact that in the last budget, the government got rid of a legal loophole and now foreign investors must pay capital gains tax on the sale of property. In short that would be 40% of the appreciation.

(F) Many listed buildings in this area were allowed to become pubs, and those pubs have since been sold to developers and converted in to residential flats. ( So I would imagine the same would apply with a church)

This property was purchased by the W.T, in my opinion because it was a good deal and religions get even better deals with tax on there investments. (Or should I say non tax)

A good deal and a purchase from the wild beast, false religion...

The Watchtoer is a business led organisation thats success was built on buying property not in the 3rd world but in the capitals of the world where property is an investment, Therefore your comment about "having to rehouse the 5 congregations" I would answer "when in poor countries many still have to share a W.T". So that is not in my mind a consideration to the W.T.

The Rebel.